[Cs5500] Fwd: [Cs4800] Tips for running local tournaments

Fri Nov 4 16:54:48 EDT 2011

I created a new discussion Forum "Improving Administrator"
where I left my response.

The goal is to move more and more to the forum.

-- Karl

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Madhuvanthi Balasubramanian <
balasubramanian.m at husky.neu.edu> wrote:

> Professor,
>        I agree that this problem needs to be addressed at the playground
> level. We will work on it.
>        But the current HSR's baby avatar has a random boolean variable
> that it uses to generate claims with existsforall and forallexists. I think
> we should remove this logic. Otherwise, it would get the undergrads
> confused when they develop clever avatars, on the model of baby avatars.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Karl Lieberherr <lieber at ccs.neu.edu>wrote:
>
>> Hi Tuba:
>>
>> that does not solve the problem. The admin should check that only
>> protocols
>> allowed by config object are used during the tournament. If not, the
>> avatar is kicked.
>> Apparently the baby avatar was not kicked.
>>
>> How do we have to change the admin?
>>
>> -- Karl
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:18 PM, <tkoc at ccs.neu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Prof.,
>>>
>>> I discussed this issue with Madhu and she said actually the problem is
>>> solved for teacher avatar but they didn`t change baby avatar. The changes
>>> we need are:
>>>
>>> in hsr baby avatar generateRandomClaim() function while returning new
>>> claim
>>>
>>>        return new Claim(instanceSet,
>>> protocol,((double)randQ)/randN,((double)randQ)/randN);
>>>
>>> instead of "protocol" we will pass ForAllExistMin.
>>>
>>> And in SCG Default Config, protocol field is "protocols:
>>> scg.protocol.ForAllExists scg.protocol.ExistsForAll\n" we need to change
>>> ForAllExists to ForAllExistMin.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Tuba
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Karl Lieberherr" <lieber at ccs.neu.edu>
>>> To: "Managing Software Development" <cs5500 at lists.ccs.neu.edu>
>>> Cc: "Dennis Zografos" <dzog at ccs.neu.edu>, "David Richards" <
>>> dirich at ccs.neu.edu>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 10:33:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>>> Subject: [Cs5500] Fwd: [Cs4800] Tips for running local tournaments
>>>
>>>
>>> Another good catch by Dennis.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please can Tuba propose a way to check that only protocols permitted by
>>> the
>>> configuration file can be used by the avatar.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Karl
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Dennis Zografos < dzog at ccs.neu.edu >
>>> Date: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Cs4800] Tips for running local tournaments
>>> To: David Richards < dirich at ccs.neu.edu >
>>> Cc: CS4800 Mailing List < cs4800 at lists.ccs.neu.edu >
>>>
>>>
>>> To continue this thread of tidbits,
>>>
>>> The Admin doesn't seem to care if players violate the "protocols"
>>> restriction.
>>>
>>> The baby avatar also doesn't seem play by this rule?
>>>
>>> e.g. I have
>>>
>>> protocols: scg.protocol.ForAllExistsMin
>>>
>>> in my configuration file
>>>
>>> but my games are full of Maxes and Equals as well (Baby-sourced and
>>> without Admin intervention)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- "David Richards" < dirich at ccs.neu.edu > wrote:
>>>
>>> > I think I found my problem.
>>> >
>>> > It's useful to note that it seems you need javacc in your path when
>>> > you run the server/avatars
>>> > as well as when you generate the templates.
>>> >
>>> > -Dave
>>> >
>>> > On Nov 3, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Dennis Zografos wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Yes.
>>> > >
>>> > > To totally rule out something with your avatar,
>>> > >
>>> > > what happens if you use two baby avatars instead?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ----- "David Richards" < dirich at ccs.neu.edu > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Were you (or anyone else) able to actually run a tournament?  As
>>> > soon
>>> > >> as my tournament started, I got a whole slew of
>>> > >> null pointer exceptions from both the server and clients in places
>>> > >> that didn't seem to touch my avatar code directly.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -Dave Richards
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Dennis Zografos wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> Some tips for getting local SCG tournaments up and running, from
>>> > my
>>> > >> experiences:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> * You might need to install a copy of javacc (in all major repos,
>>> > >> including MacPorts)
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> * At the "Generate Java files using Demeterf" step,
>>> > <outputfolder>
>>> > >> should be set to `/GenericSCG/gen'
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> * The `PlayerMainHSR' class (as referenced in Step 3) does not
>>> > >> exist; use `PlayerMainBabyHSR' instead. (`PlayerMainBabyHSR' is no
>>> > way
>>> > >> specific to the Baby avatar; this is just a naming thing)
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> * This will be obvious to most, but, the documentation lists a
>>> > >> constant "8020" for your avatar port (note: this is a
>>> > >> listening/"server" socket, NOT a connect/"client" socket); if you
>>> > are
>>> > >> running multiple avatars locally, you will have to assign
>>> > different
>>> > >> ports to each of them
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> --Dennis
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> (note: information herein not authorized by course staff)
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> (note2: I may conduct a tournament tonight if the official
>>> > warm-up
>>> > >> fails to materialize; details perhaps forthcoming)
>>> > >>>
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> --
>  Thanks
> - Madhu
>
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